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I currently have a Sonnet Fusion 500P loaded with 5 WD 500GB RE2 drives; all running individually and not RAIDed; this box is connected to a Sonnet Tempo E2P in my MacPro. I'm interested in getting a 2nd identical enclosure and drives, and creating a RAID system using 10 drives. I also plan on upgrading the E2P to the E4P, since it will provide increased RAID performance that the E2P does not. I've been reading the various posts on RAID on these forums, and also have looked through the AMUG articles and reviews, and I have a couple of questions.
First, can I stripe the 5 drives in each enclosure, and then mirror the two enclosures? This RAID setup will be used for Final Cut Pro capture and editing, and also for DVD Studio Pro files. Basically, I would have 2.5TB of high speed storage, and a duplicate of that.
Second question-can I do this with Disk Utility, or would I need additional software/hardware to accomplish it? And finally, I'm a little vague about RAID 5 setups, but would it be better to create a RAID 5 with one enclosure and 5 drives, using 4 for storage and one for parity information? From my limited knowledge of this, I think that if the RAID 5 failed, it could be rebuilt using the info on the 5th drive? Is this correct? What would be the best way to go here, taking into account the hardware I already have? If I'm off base, I'm open to suggestions for a different setup that would have comparable storage space, speed, and backup.
Thanks for any advice anyone can give. Thanks again for the suggestions; one last point-would RAID 5 be the better choice, as opposed to RAID 0, for striping the drives in the two enclosures?
Dear Mike, Without knowing your performance requirements it is hard to know which format would be best. RAID 5 will provide some redundancy but will also perform slower as one hard drive is used for parity. If you are working with large video files you may choose RAID 0 vs RAID 5. If you look at the AMUG review: you will see a 5 drive RAID 0 provides 220-237MB/sec. The same drives in RAID 5 provide 171-165MB/sec.
If you don't need more than 160MB/sec. I would go with the RAID 5 in the main 5-bay SATA PM. This will give you the opportunity to rebuild in case of a hard drive failure. So, I could configure each 5-drive enclosure as a RAID 0 (or RAID 5-I'm still not sure which I would want) and just have two independent RAID setups; capture to one, and just backup/clone to the 2nd one, so I would not need to mirror the 2nd enclosure to the 1st; correct? If you really want a secure off-line backup this is the way to go. It is much more secure than any RAID can provide.
Does the 2314 come with RAID 5 setup software, or is there 3rd party software I should be looking at to do that? The RR2314 comes with a driver that includes a web management program that uses the ASIC on the card to setup RAID 5 calculations. You simply setup RAID 5 on the screen using Safari. If I stripe the two enclosures as two individual RAIDs and don't mirror them together, I could also use different drives in each enclosure, correct?
(Of course, the 5 drives in each enclosure would be identical). That would certainly be your option.
The RAIDs would be separate and using different drive sets for each enclosure would be an option. A complete backup of the entire RAID would offer great peace of mind. Yes, a complete back is much more secure than any single RAID configuration. Dear Mike, It sounds like you want more RAID capabilities than Disk Utility can easily provide. Since you are looking for a new host adapter card anyway, you might as well get one that can provide RAID 0, 1, 5 and 1/0.
I would suggest the HighPoint RocketRAID 2314 if you want to stay with individual eSATA cables. The AMUG review can be found here: If you would rather have a card with a single cable and do not mind purchasing an extra cable, I really like the HighPoint RocketRAID 2314MS which is the same card with a different cable system. Here is that AMUG review and a link to the cable you would need: The Sonnet E4P is a good card but it cannot support RAID 5, 10 or 50 and the HighPoint cards can. The HighPoint cards also provide just as good or better performance with a 10 drive SATA PM configuration like the one you are considering.
It sounds like the main reason for the second SATA PM enclosure is mainly backup. Please understand that a RAID 5, 10 or 50 configuration adds redundancy to your hard disk array but it is not a guarantee that you will recover from directory corruption or user errors. If the directory is corrupted on a RAID 10 it can easily write the same corrupted data on the mirror copy of the drive. If you truly want a backup, I would consider using SuperDuper or Carbon Copy Cloner at the end of each day to backup the work on the first SATA PM RAID to the RAID in the 2nd SATA PM enclosure. Having your backup off-line when not in use is the best way to be ensure the backup data will be intact when you need it. Thanks for the reply and the suggestions. I had looked at the 2314 card, and I might consider getting that; I'd like to stick with the individual PM cable setup I have now.
So, I could configure each 5-drive enclosure as a RAID 0 (or RAID 5-I'm still not sure which I would want) and just have two independent RAID setups; capture to one, and just backup/clone to the 2nd one, so I would not need to mirror the 2nd enclosure to the 1st; correct? From what I know, I could create RAID 0 setups for each enclosure with disk utility, but not RAID 5, if I wanted that format.
If RAID 5 is a better choice (as I said above, I'm not quite sure yet), does the 2314 come with RAID 5 setup software, or is there 3rd party software I should be looking at to do that? Also, if I stripe the two enclosures as two individual RAIDs and don't mirror them together, I could also use different drives in each enclosure, correct? (Of course, the 5 drives in each enclosure would be identical). The expense of the 2nd enclosure & drives just for backup is not a problem for me; I often have up to 20 FCP and DVDSP projects in various stages of completion for clients, and a complete backup of the entire RAID would offer great peace of mind.
Thanks again for the advice. So, I could configure each 5-drive enclosure as a RAID 0 (or RAID 5-I'm still not sure which I would want) and just have two independent RAID setups; capture to one, and just backup/clone to the 2nd one, so I would not need to mirror the 2nd enclosure to the 1st; correct? If you really want a secure off-line backup this is the way to go. It is much more secure than any RAID can provide. Does the 2314 come with RAID 5 setup software, or is there 3rd party software I should be looking at to do that? The RR2314 comes with a driver that includes a web management program that uses the ASIC on the card to setup RAID 5 calculations.
You simply setup RAID 5 on the screen using Safari. If I stripe the two enclosures as two individual RAIDs and don't mirror them together, I could also use different drives in each enclosure, correct? (Of course, the 5 drives in each enclosure would be identical). That would certainly be your option. The RAIDs would be separate and using different drive sets for each enclosure would be an option. A complete backup of the entire RAID would offer great peace of mind.
Yes, a complete back is much more secure than any single RAID configuration. As far as I know, 2314 is a software. I think if i can do this over again. I will buy Apple's Raid Card instead. After all, hardward raid is the way to go.
The HighPoint RAID card uses hardware to calculate the RAID 5 parity data. That is how they are able to optimize the RAID 5 write performance. The RR 2314 card provided RAID 5 performance of 530MB/sec in the AMUG review with 15 hard drives and three PM enclosures.
The Apple RAID card is limited to four hard drives, does not support SATA PM enclosures and provides less than half of the RAID performance available to RR2314 users. The Apple card is $999 and only sold with a new Mac Pro built to order. The RR 2314 card is $180 and can be used with any Apple Mac Pro: Why someone would purchase an Apple 4-port RAID 5 card at $999 is beyond me 🙂 Have fun!
Thanks again for the suggestions; one last point-would RAID 5 be the better choice, as opposed to RAID 0, for striping the drives in the two enclosures? Dear Mike, Without knowing your performance requirements it is hard to know which format would be best. RAID 5 will provide some redundancy but will also perform slower as one hard drive is used for parity. If you are working with large video files you may choose RAID 0 vs RAID 5.
If you look at the AMUG review: you will see a 5 drive RAID 0 provides 220-237MB/sec. The same drives in RAID 5 provide 171-165MB/sec. If you don't need more than 160MB/sec. I would go with the RAID 5 in the main 5-bay SATA PM.
This will give you the opportunity to rebuild in case of a hard drive failure. Thanks again for the response; my priorities are #1, complete backup of the entire RAID, #2, storage capacity, and #3, speed. However, I might decide to go with RAID 0 for the increased speed anyway, because of the reliability of the WD RE2s (I have a bunch of these and I really like them) and because I will have the backup. Now, I just have to decide if I want to upgrade to the 750GB size, or stay with 500GB.
This will be the setup I originally envisioned, but you have sold me on the Highpoint over the Sonnet card. I appreciate the advice. Personally, I have had major problems with the RocketRaid 2314 and RAID 5 specifically.
The drivers seem to be really flaky. First, I had problems initializing the array and I would get kernel panics (i.e., the whole machine crashes). I contacted Highpoint about the problem and their technical support was terrrible. I would get really short answers that made it seem like they either read my email really fast or didn't completely understand it. The finally came out with a new driver that solved a major problem but I've continued to have problems and I don't have any confidence in the RAID now (I've had to completely rebuild it a couple of times even though all the drives are fine). If you search review on other sites you'll find others that have had similar experiences to mine. I think that they are supporting macs as an after-thought and their customer support is terrible.
I just bought a G speed es which uses a 2314. I recently did something stupid and lost my raid. What I did was upgrading my Mac OS 10.4 to 10.5!!
I know.I know. I shouldn't do that. But I thought the worst case scenario is to go back to 10.4 and I still have my data in the raid. I was dead wrong. Everything's gone.
I thought G-Tech's products supports 10.5.Guess it's 2314. One more thing, I'm so sure that 2314 is not a hardware raid cause it drain the whole system while using it. A true hardware raid will never do that. I have used the RR 2314 extensively and not had problems with it.
I find it funny when I read the complaints from users. The HighPoint driver is definitely Leopard compatible. I tested it heavily. What happens with HighPoint is that they are continually upgrading the drivers and the users do not always use the latest version and wonder why it does not work.
In addition, HighPoint is mainly a PC shop but they are working very hard to capture the Mac market. They have added hot swap, Leopard compatibility, a great Storage Health Inspector (SHI) that shows the temperatures of all had drives - all in the last 90 days. If you require hand holding, HighPoint would not be my first choice. However, if you plan to run a single SATA host adapter and Archive and install Mac OS X to eliminate compatibility issues the RR 2314 with RAID 5 for $199 is an awesome deal. If you want a SATA PM card that has less features and runs with few problems the Sonnet Tempo E4P is the way to go. Dear Hatter, I find that Disk Utility is more stable than SoftRAID in this Leopard transition period.
Most users want to use SoftRAID with the hopes that it provides more reliability. Unfortunately, that is not the case with 10.5.
My suggestion is to go back to Disk Utility RAIDs for now. It may be awhile before SoftRAID is trouble free.
Leopard significantly changes the way disks are handled and many host adapters and enclosures have been impacted. Using Disk Utility allows me to troubleshoot without worrying whether the issue involves SoftRAID too.
Many Leopard compatibility issues have been fixed but host adapter users will need to remember to install the latest driver. In addition, users that purchased Seagate FreeAgent and MyBook eSATA enclosures may find as I have that the eSATA ports no longer work with Leopard. If you are married to these enclosures, I would stay with Mac OS X 10.4.10. I have not tested Vista with the RR 2314 but I have installed the RR 2314 in Tiger, Leopard and XP with bootcamp. It works well for me n all of these configurations.
Leopard has thrown a curve ball at external SATA storage so if you upgrade, understand that it may provide a little slower performance and less reliability for external eSATA users. Users that highly rely on their external SATA storage systems will experience less problems if they stay with Mac OS X 10.4.10 for now.
Always glad to hear and get your input. I'm caught in a catch-22: to use SoftRAID and hope I can provide feeback, yet not pull my gray hair out in the process. (who said retirement was going to be out of the loop and boring?).
I don't like surprises when it comes to technology - Charlie Brown once again falls for Lucy's stunt every year when she pulls the football out from under when he tries to punt. People thought SCSI was trouble? All those Adaptec 29106 and 39160s gather dust from lack of support. Work in my G4 now again. I replaced them with ATTO too. Whole box of legacy controllers.
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